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From pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com Thu Nov 7 11:26:32 1991 Path: rpi!bu.edu!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!ames!agate!spool.mu.edu!uune t!orca!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Newsgroups: control,alt.config,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc Subject: newgroup alt.gothic Summary: newgroup alt.gothic Keywords: newgroup Message-ID: <1991Nov1.001114.27291@javelin.sim.es.com> Date: 1 Nov 91 00:11:14 GMT Control: newgroup alt.gothic Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah Lines: 33 Approved: news@javelin.sim.es.com

The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:

>alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture. >The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and >dark. It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e. >the ravaging of asia by the visigoths. > >Then, below, you don't necessarily have to explain what each genre >is: > >Gothic music: sometimes called "death rock", encompasses bands >such as (bands listed in the charter) > >Gothic art: films, books, plays, fine arts: art that perpetuates >a morbidity or feeling of angst. Submissions of gothic prose >and poetry are encouraged. > >Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well >as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting.

>Finally, I feel it would be especially apt were alt.gothic to be >created on halloween.  :-)

I thought about this before creating the group. Seeing what little discussion was happening in alt.config, I decided to jump the gun in order to create upon this relevant date. --

             Living in my own world.  Living where I want to be.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way. Pete Ashdown pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown

From news@shelby.stanford.edu Thu Nov 7 15:07:24 1991 Control: newgroup alt.gothic Newsgroups: alt.gothic Path: rpi!ispd-newsserver!psinntp!uunet!stanford.edu!news From: news@shelby.stanford.edu (USENET News System) Subject: newgroup alt.gothic Message-ID: <1991Nov7.170733.27286@shelby.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford University, California, USA Distribution: su Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 17:07:33 GMT Approved: stergios@kt22.Stanford.EDU Lines: 2

A group for the discussion of the gothic subculture

From damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU Wed Apr 1 12:59:56 1992 Path: rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio- state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!umn.edu!umeecs!yale!yale.edu!cm cl2!exchange!damir From: damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU (Damir Mijacika) Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl Subject: newgroup alt.gothic Message-ID: <23177@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU> Date: 1 Apr 92 16:11:40 GMT Control: newgroup alt.gothic Distribution: nyu Organization: NYU Stern School of Business Lines: 0 Approved: damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU

From steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU Sun Apr 26 10:52:03 1992 Path: rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!decwrl!bu.edu!dartvax!mars.caps.maine.edu!gandalf!ste ve From: steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Steve E. Goldsmith) Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl Subject: newgroup alt.gothic Message-ID: <15599@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU> Date: 25 Apr 92 23:12:01 GMT Control: newgroup alt.gothic Distribution: umcs Organization: University of Maine Department of Computer Science Lines: 0 Approved: steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU

From smj@smudge.oro.net Fri Nov 18 22:04:47 1994 Path: uunet!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!oro.net !smudge.oro.net!smj From: smj@smudge.oro.net (Scott Jennings) Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.gothic Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic Control: newgroup alt.gothic Date: 19 Nov 1994 03:10:50 GMT Organization: "OroNet, Penn Valley, CA" Lines: 8 Approved: smj@oro.net Message-ID: <3ajqbq$6ks@ag.oro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: smudge.oro.net Xref: uunet control:1393623

Here it is, as promised in alt.config. The shear volume of traffic in this group should be enough to validate it at most sites, even if the name could have been better chosen.

For your newsgroups file: alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark

From tale@uunet.uu.net Mon Oct 21 16:48:05 1996 Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!gergs_bane.org!anon From: tale@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: control Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:42 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <tale689@uunet.uu.net> Control: rmgroup alt.gothic Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 1 Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7138

remove outdated group

From tale@uunet.uu.net Mon Oct 21 16:48:09 1996 Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!gergs_bane.org!anon From: tale@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: control Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:46 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <tale702@uunet.uu.net> Control: rmgroup alt.gothic Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 1 Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7139

remove outdated group

From newsmaster@demon.net Tue Oct 22 12:55:49 1996 Path: uunet!in2.uu.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net !demon!not-for-mail From: newsmaster@demon.net Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:45:50 GMT Message-ID: <alt.gothic-1@news.demon.net> Control: newgroup alt.gothic Approved: newsmaster@demon.net Lines: 5 Xref: uunet control.newgroup:17875

Forge-rmgroupd by the same folks responsible for the stupidity in news.*

For your newsgroups file: alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark

From bierman@apple.com Thu Nov 7 01:34:52 1996 Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!feed1.news.erols.com!chi- news.cic.net!bznews.apple.com!nntp1.apple.com!bierpe3.apple.com!user From: bierman@apple.com (Peter Bierman) Newsgroups: control Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic Control: newgroup alt.gothic Followup-To: alt.gothic Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:57:07 -0800 Organization: I do not speak for Apple Computer! Lines: 21 Approved: alt.gothic netizens Message-ID: <bierman-0611961657070001@bierpe3.apple.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bierpe3.apple.com Xref: uunet control.newgroup:18329

For your newsgroups file: alt.gothic Netizens of the night.

Newgroup sent to counteract forged rmgroup. See attached.

> Path: > nntp1.apple.com!colloquy.apple.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news- hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news- hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!gergs_b ane.org!anon > From: tale@uunet.uu.net > Newsgroups: control > Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic > Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:46 > Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net > Message-ID: <tale702@uunet.uu.net> > Control: rmgroup alt.gothic > Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net > Lines: 1 > > remove outdated group

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 7 19:05:16 1996 Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!theplanet.net!knews.uk0.vbc.net!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!d emon!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!gergs_bane.org!anon From: tale@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: control Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic Date: 05 Nov 1996 06:57:42 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <tale22415@uunet.uu.net> Control: rmgroup alt.gothic Approved: Fluffy Lines: 1 Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7318

Removal of bogus group not created by recognized voting procedures.

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 7 19:06:09 1996 Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!theplanet.net!knews.uk0.vbc.net!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!d emon!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!gergs_bane.org!anon From: tale@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: control Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic Date: 05 Nov 1996 06:57:56 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <tale22460@uunet.uu.net> Control: rmgroup alt.gothic Approved: Fluffy Lines: 1 Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7320

Removal of bogus group not created by recognized voting procedures.

From jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Mon Nov 11 22:45:22 1996 Path: uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news- peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc .swarthmore.edu!res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu!user From: jkramer1@swarthmore.edu (Joshua Kramer) Newsgroups: alt.config Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic Control: newgroup alt.gothic Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:43:12 -0500 Organization: Swarthmore College Lines: 12 Approved: jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Message-ID: <jkramer1-1111962243120001@res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: uunet control.newgroup:19046

For your newsgroups file: alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark.

rmgrouped for no good reason.

-- Joshua Kramer, Student, Swarthmore College. Any opinions expressed herein represent only those of Joshua Kramer and should not be taken to represent the views of any organization or any other individual living or dead.

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 28 08:21:24 1996 Path: uunet!in2.uu.net!205.244.8.35!gergs_bane.org!anon From: tale@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: control Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic Date: 28 Nov 1996 08:24:11 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <tale31399@uunet.uu.net> Control: rmgroup alt.gothic Approved: tale@uu.net Lines: 1 Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7647

Superceeded by alt.gothic.* hierarchy

From newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de Tue Aug 5 14:18:15 1997 Newsgroups: alt.gothic Message-ID: <5s82af$5j7@asterix.DMV-Franzis.de> From: newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de Approved: newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de NNTP-Posting-Host: asterix.DMV-Franzis.de Path: news.isc.org!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.127.161.1!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!207.22.81.9! europa.clark.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net !isar.de!asterix.DMV-Franzis.de!asterix.DMV-Franzis.de!asterix.DMV-Franzis.de Date: 5 Aug 1997 20:26:55 GMT Organization: DMV Franzis' Verlage Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic y Control: newgroup alt.gothic y Lines: 3 Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:8307

Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.

From news@fh-aachen.de Wed Jun 10 01:03:05 1998 Newsgroups: alt.gothic Message-ID: <6lld94$np617@ultra1Aether.noc.fh-aachen.de> From: news@fh-aachen.de Approved: news@fh-aachen.de NNTP-Posting-Host: ultra1Aether.noc.fh-aachen.de Path: news.isc.org!news.Stanford.EDU!newsfeed.concentric.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell. syr.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!ultra1Aether.noc.fh- aachen.de!ultra1Aether.noc.fh-aachen.de Date: 10 Jun 1998 07:40:20 GMT Organization: University of Applied Sciences Aachen Germany Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic y Control: newgroup alt.gothic y Lines: 3 Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:21082

Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.

From newsmaster@alt.gothic.net Tue May 11 13:44:22 1999 Path: news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad- peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!166.93.8.12!natasha.rmii.com!news1.rmi.net !not-for-mail From: newsmaster@alt.gothic.net (The Goths) Newsgroups: alt.config Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic Control: rmgroup alt.gothic Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:35:40 GMT Organization: Bar The Goths Lines: 5 Approved: newsmaster@alt.gothic.net (The Goths) Message-ID: <373893af.76134765@news.rmi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.93.216.51.rmi.net X-Trace: news1.rmi.net 926454945 7529 166.93.216.51 (11 May 1999 20:35:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rmi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 20:35:45 GMT Summary: As discussed in alt.config, remove alt.gothic X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.isc.org control.rmgroup:81647

There's no support for this group:

• joke group

From raquele@borg.svpal.org Tue May 11 22:30:09 1999 Path: news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.svpal.org!not-for- mail From: raquele@borg.svpal.org (J Gan) Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic Control: newgroup alt.gothic Date: 11 May 1999 22:27:27 -0700 Organization: Silicon Valley Public Access Link Lines: 10 Approved: raquele@borg.svpal.org Message-ID: <7hb3fv$gmh$1@borg.svpal.org> References: <373893af.76134765@news.rmi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.svpal.org X-Trace: borg.svpal.org 926486856 17106 127.0.0.1 (12 May 1999 05:27:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@svpal.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 05:27:36 GMT Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:160293

To counter recent rmgroup.

- High-traffic group with clear need and support; postings are of good quality - Group has existed since 1 Nov 1991, according to UUNET cmsg archive - No discussion or support for removing group was present in alt.config, as claimed by rmgroup poster, or in alt.gothic

For your newsgroups file: alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark