Alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1 beta: Difference between revisions

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alt. gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1beta

The first rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "Do Not Question The Version Number" The second rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "No Movie References"

About This FAQ[edit]

This FAQ seems incomplete! Is anyone working on updating the FAQ?[edit]

kest is.

What about questions that aren't in this FAQ?[edit]

First - Look in an older FAQ. [link goes here]
Second - Search Google Groups
Third - Ask.

Can I help write the FAQ?[edit]

Yes.

About Goth[edit]

What is Goth?[edit]

A post-punk movement.
An aesthetic
A musical genre
A fashion style
A philosophy
'The whole Goth thing for me is a state of mind. An admittance that you're not the same as the people who work in Barclays Bank and you'll never really subscribe to the idea that you'll do a day job and come home to watch Big Brother.' - Lee Chaos
'To me, at least, the goth isn't a lifestyle, or a wardrobe or even identity. It simply *is*, and there's not a darned thing I can do change it. The only difference between me now and me at age nine is that now I buy my own clothes, so things just happen to end up being bought in black instead of other colors. It just turns out that way.' - Peter H. Coffin
"It's a state of mind. And was invented by Lord Byron. On absinthe." - David Gerard
I don't care as long as there's a really cute one sitting on my face.

Is X goth?[edit]

It might be, but there are enough definitions that you'll be wrong.

A list of things that are GAF[edit]

Is emo goth?[edit]

No. There are some stylistic similarities, but the two are distinct.
Emo could be argued as a successor to goth, but history and common sense say otherwise.

What is emo?[edit]

"Goth minus the fucking"

What kinds of goths are there?[edit]

For a fairly small subculture, goth subdivides many ways. Here is an incomplete list:

mopeygoth
perkygoth
cybergoth
victorian goth

N.B. This list is intentionally incomplete. Any attempt to definitively list all subdivisions is doomed to failure.

About alt.gothic[edit]

What is a net.goth?[edit]

net.goth n. One (goth) who, having access to usenet, both posts to alt.gothic and wants to be known as a 'net.goth'.

While today many people would like to spread the term to include all goths that hang out on the internet, the first use of the term with any serious intention was as a means for the denizens of alt.gothic to identify each other IRL, going hand in hand with the first t-shirts, stickers, etc. Amusingly, some amount of consideration was put into whether 'cybergoth' would be a better term - cybergoth now means something completely and entirely different. ("Round here CyberGoth would be mistaken for CyberPunk. CyberPunks are anorak-wearing-startrek-watching-mud-playing-no-lifers. MHO, net.goth would be more 'obscure' (which is good)" - The Grim Reaper, 1993) See above under 'types of goths' for more information about the current usage of 'cybergoth'.

What is alt.gothic?[edit]

Alt.gothic is a newsgroup devoted to discussion of various aspects of the so-called ≥gothic≤ subculture and its people. The vast majority of the discussion that goes on isn't "gothic" per se, but deals with death and weirdness--or anything of interest to us. We're a tight-knit group, but newcomers are always welcome as long as they follow a few guidelines as explained in this FAQ.

How do I post to alt.gothic?[edit]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/topics?hl=en

Do you bite?[edit]

Yes, we do bite, and we like it best if you enjoy it

It disrupts the natural order of conversation, and it causes crabs.

Why can't I top-post?[edit]

It's a SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Crabs? That doesn't seem...[edit]

Why are people flaming/ignoring me?[edit]

They felt like it.

Why are people insulting me for no good reason?[edit]

They're not. Someone at some point will have, probably extremely politely, explained to you what you are doing wrong and you didn't listen. Go look for it

Why is Peter H. Coffin being bitchy and petulant towards me?[edit]

Because he can. Deal.

Why is Peter Constantine celebrating and encouraging those who break social conventions and objecting to those who proclaim their existence?[edit]

'Cos that's what he does. It's a social convention built up over time. Ironic, innit?

Also, although he likes to deny it in public he is part of the 'we' on behalf of whom some claim to be posting. He lurks in e-mail, doncha know *wink*

Do you have any other advice for me then?[edit]

Trim your posts. Attribute correctly. Lurk. Introduce yourself at some point, it seems to be popular. Buckle up. Wear nice boots.

How can I identify a net.goth?[edit]

You might find them at various net.goth friendly events, such as Convergence, Whitby Gothic Weekend, or Wave Gotik Treffen. They might be wearing a net.goth logo, but then again they might not.

Where can I get a net.goth logo?[edit]

There are several different net.goth logos. It seems like currently the best place to download them is from here: http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Images/misc-image.html These images (should be) public domain but non-subscribers are discouraged from using them.

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-alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1beta
+alt.[[Gothic | gothic]] FAQ v4.0.0.1beta
-===========================
-==ABOUT THIS FAQ==
+The first rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "Do Not Question The Version Number"
+The second rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "No Movie References"
-. Q: This FAQ seems incomplete! Is anyone working on updating the FAQ?
+==About This FAQ ==
-     A: [[kest]] is.
+===This FAQ seems incomplete! Is anyone working on updating the FAQ? ===
-A  Q: What about questions that aren't in this FAQ?
+[[kest]] is.
-     A: First  - Look in an older FAQ. [link goes here]
+====What about questions that aren't in this FAQ? ====
-        Second - Search [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/topics Google Groups]
+*First  - Look in an older FAQ. [link goes here]
-        Third  - Ask.
+*Second - Search [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/topics Google Groups]
-B. Q: Can I help write the FAQ?
+*Third  - Ask.
-     A: Yes.
+====Can I help write the FAQ? ====
+Yes.
+==About Goth==
+===What is [[Goth]]? ===
+*A post-punk movement.
+*An aesthetic
+*A musical genre
+*A fashion style
+*A philosophy
+*'The whole Goth thing for me is a state of mind. An admittance that you're not the same as the people who work in Barclays Bank and you'll never really subscribe to the idea that you'll do a day job and come home to watch Big Brother.'  - Lee Chaos
+*'To me, at least, the goth isn't a lifestyle, or a wardrobe or even identity. It simply *is*, and there's not a darned thing I can do change it. The only difference between me now and me at age nine is that now I buy my own clothes, so things just happen to end up being bought in black instead of other colors. It just turns out that way.' - [[Peter H. Coffin]]
+*"It's a state of mind. And was invented by Lord Byron. On absinthe." - David Gerard
+*I don't care as long as there's a really cute one sitting on my face.
+===Is X goth? ===
+It might be, but there are enough definitions that you'll be wrong.
+====A list of things that are GAF====
+====Is emo goth? ====
+*No. There are some stylistic similarities, but the two are distinct.
+*Emo could be argued as a successor to goth, but history and common sense say otherwise.
+=====What is emo? =====
+*"Goth minus the fucking"
+===What kinds of goths are there?===
+For a fairly small subculture, goth subdivides many ways.  Here is an incomplete list:
+*mopeygoth
+*perkygoth
+*cybergoth
+*victorian goth
-==ABOUT GOTH==
+N.B. This list is intentionally incomplete. Any attempt to definitively list all subdivisions is doomed to failure.
+==About alt.gothic==
+===What is a net.goth?===
+net.goth n. One (goth) who, having access to usenet, both posts to alt.gothic and wants to be known as a 'net.goth'.
-. Q: What is goth?
+While today many people would like to spread the term to include all goths that hang out on the internet, the first use of the term with any serious intention was as a means for the denizens of alt.gothic to identify each other IRL, going hand in hand with the first t-shirts, stickers, etc. Amusingly, some amount of consideration was put into whether 'cybergoth' would be a better term - cybergoth now means something completely and entirely different. ("Round here CyberGoth would be mistaken for CyberPunk.  CyberPunks are anorak-wearing-startrek-watching-mud-playing-no-lifers. MHO, net.goth would be more 'obscure' (which is good)" - The Grim Reaper, 1993) See above under 'types of goths' for more information about the current usage of 'cybergoth'.
-     A: A post-punk movement.
+===What is alt.gothic?===
-     A: An aesthetic
+Alt.gothic is a newsgroup devoted to discussion of various aspects of the so-called ≥gothic≤ subculture and its people.  The vast majority of the discussion that goes on isn't "gothic" per se, but deals with death and weirdness--or anything of interest to us.  We're a tight-knit group, but newcomers are always welcome as long as they follow a few guidelines as explained in this FAQ.
-     A: A musical genre
+===How do I post to alt.gothic?===
-     A: A fashion style
+http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/topics?hl=en
-     A: A philosophy
+===Do you bite?===
-     A: 'The whole Goth thing for me is a state of mind. An admittance that you're not the same as the people who work in Barclays Bank and you'll never really subscribe to the idea that you'll do a day job and come home to watch Big Brother.'  - Lee Chaos
+*Yes, we do bite, and we like it best if you enjoy it
-     A: 'To me, at least, the goth isn't a lifestyle, or a wardrobe or even identity. It simply *is*, and there's not a darned thing I can do change it. The only difference between me now and me at age nine is that now I buy my own clothes, so things just happen to end up being bought in black instead of other colors. It just turns out that way.' - [[Peter H. Coffin]]
+<!-- without this BR the A above and the A below get mixed up together in the same box--><BR>
-     A: "It's a state of mind. And was invented by Lord Byron. On absinthe." - David Gerard
+It disrupts the natural order of conversation, and it causes crabs.
-     A: I don't care as long as there's a really cute one sitting on my face.
+===Why can't I top-post? ===
-. Q: Is X goth?
+It's a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
-     A: It might be, but there are enough definitions that you'll be wrong.
+====Crabs? That doesn't seem... ====
-a.Q: A list of things that are GAF:
+===Why are people flaming/ignoring me? ===
-     A:
+They felt like it.
-b. Q: Is emo goth?
+====Why are people insulting me for no good reason?====
-     A: No. There are some stylistic similarities, but the two are distinct.
+They're not.  Someone at some point will have, probably extremely politely, explained to you what you are doing wrong and you didn't listen.  Go look for it
-        Emo could be argued as a successor to goth, but history and common sense say otherwise.
+====Why is Peter H. Coffin being bitchy and petulant towards me?====
-bi. Q: What is emo?
+Because he can. Deal.
-     A: "Goth minus the fucking"
-==ABOUT ALT.GOTHIC==
+====Why is Peter Constantine celebrating and encouraging those who break social conventions and objecting to those who proclaim their existence?====
-. Q: What is alt.gothic?
+'Cos that's what he does. It's a social convention built up over time.
-   A: Alt.gothic is a newsgroup devoted to discussion of various aspects of the so-called ≥gothic≤ subculture and its people.  The vast majority of the discussion that goes on isn't "gothic" per se, but deals with death and weirdness--or anything of interest to us.
+Ironic, innit?
-We're a tight-knit group, but newcomers are always welcome as long as they follow a few guidelines as explained in this FAQ.
+Also, although he likes to deny it in public he is part of the 'we' on behalf of whom some claim to be posting. He lurks in e-mail, doncha know *wink*
-. Q: How do I post to alt.gothic?
+===Do you have any other advice for me then? ===
-   A:  http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/topics?hl=en
+Trim your posts. Attribute correctly. Lurk. Introduce yourself at some point, it seems to be popular. Buckle up. Wear nice boots.
-. Q:
+===How can I identify a net.goth?===
-   A: Yes, we do bite, and we like it best if you enjoy it
+You might find them at various net.goth friendly events, such as [[Convergence]], [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]], or [[Wave Gotik Treffen]].  They might be wearing a net.goth logo, but then again they might not.
-. A: It disrupts the natural order of conversation, and it causes crabs.
+===Where can I get a net.goth logo?===
-     Q: Why can't I top-post?
+There are several different net.goth logos.  It seems like currently the best place to download them is from here: http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Images/misc-image.html These images (should be) public domain but non-subscribers are discouraged from using them.
-a. A: It's a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
+==About ...Other Stuff==
-     Q: Crabs? That doesn't seem...
+===How do I know if I have a beautiful heart?===
-. Q: Why are people flaming/ignoring me?
+Rub the magic Albatross, of course.
-     A: They felt like it.
+===Is it true that ejaculation diminishes one's power?===
-a. Q: Why are people insulting me for no good reason?
-     A: They're not.  Someone at some point will have, probably extremely politely, explained to you what you are doing wrong and you didn't listen.  Go look for it
-. Q: Do you have any other advice for me then?
-     A: Trim your posts. Attribute correctly. Lurk. Introduce yourself at some point, it seems to be popular. Buckle up. Wear nice boots.
-==ABOUT...OTHER STUFF==
+===Tell me about Poppy Z. Brite's nipples...===
-. Q: How do I know if I have a beautiful heart?
-     A: Rub the magic Albatross, of course.
-. Q: Is it true that ejaculation diminishes one's power?
-     A:
-. Q: Tell me about Poppy Z. Brite's nipples...
+===Could a 20 pound note be inserted into a urethra?===
-     A:
+There is evidence to this effect, yes.