Editing ISC record

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From pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com Thu Nov 7 11:26:32 1991
Path: 
rpi!bu.edu!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!ames!agate!spool.mu.edu!uune
t!orca!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Newsgroups: control,alt.config,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
Summary: newgroup alt.gothic
Keywords: newgroup
Message-ID: &lt;1991Nov1.001114.27291@javelin.sim.es.com&gt;
Date: 1 Nov 91 00:11:14 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Organization: Evans &amp; Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Lines: 33
Approved: news@javelin.sim.es.com


The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:

&gt;alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture.
&gt;The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and
&gt;dark.  It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e.
&gt;the ravaging of asia by the visigoths.
&gt;
&gt;Then, below, you don't necessarily have to explain what each genre
&gt;is:
&gt;
&gt;Gothic music:  sometimes called &quot;death rock&quot;, encompasses bands
&gt;such as (bands listed in the charter)
&gt;
&gt;Gothic art:  films, books, plays, fine arts:  art that perpetuates
&gt;a morbidity or feeling of angst.  Submissions of gothic prose
&gt;and poetry are encouraged.
&gt;
&gt;Social aspects of the gothic culture:  clothes, clubs, etc, as well
&gt;as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting.


&gt;Finally, I feel it would be especially apt were alt.gothic to be
&gt;created on halloween.  :-)

I thought about this before creating the group.  Seeing what little
discussion was happening in alt.config, I decided to jump the gun in order to
create upon this relevant date.
-- 
              Living in my own world.  Living where I want to be.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown  pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com  ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown

From news@shelby.stanford.edu Thu Nov 7 15:07:24 1991
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Path: rpi!ispd-newsserver!psinntp!uunet!stanford.edu!news
From: news@shelby.stanford.edu (USENET News System)
Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
Message-ID: &lt;1991Nov7.170733.27286@shelby.stanford.edu&gt;
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: su
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 17:07:33 GMT
Approved: stergios@kt22.Stanford.EDU
Lines: 2

A group for the discussion of the gothic subculture


From damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU Wed Apr 1 12:59:56 1992
Path: rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-
state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!umn.edu!umeecs!yale!yale.edu!cm
cl2!exchange!damir
From: damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU (Damir Mijacika)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl
Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
Message-ID: &lt;23177@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU&gt;
Date: 1 Apr 92 16:11:40 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.gothic 
Distribution: nyu
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
Lines: 0
Approved: damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU


From steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU Sun Apr 26 10:52:03 1992
Path: 
rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!decwrl!bu.edu!dartvax!mars.caps.maine.edu!gandalf!ste
ve
From: steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Steve E. Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl
Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
Message-ID: &lt;15599@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU&gt;
Date: 25 Apr 92 23:12:01 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Distribution: umcs
Organization: University of Maine Department of Computer Science
Lines: 0
Approved: steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU


From smj@smudge.oro.net Fri Nov 18 22:04:47 1994
Path: 
uunet!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!oro.net
!smudge.oro.net!smj
From: smj@smudge.oro.net (Scott Jennings)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.gothic
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Date: 19 Nov 1994 03:10:50 GMT
Organization: &quot;OroNet, Penn Valley, CA&quot;
Lines: 8
Approved: smj@oro.net
Message-ID: &lt;3ajqbq$6ks@ag.oro.net&gt;
NNTP-Posting-Host: smudge.oro.net
Xref: uunet control:1393623

Here it is, as promised in alt.config.
The shear volume of traffic in this group should be enough
to validate it at most sites, even if the name could have
been better chosen.

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark


From tale@uunet.uu.net Mon Oct 21 16:48:05 1996
Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!gergs_bane.org!anon
From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:42
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: &lt;tale689@uunet.uu.net&gt;
Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Lines: 1
Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7138

remove outdated group

From tale@uunet.uu.net Mon Oct 21 16:48:09 1996
Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!gergs_bane.org!anon
From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:46
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: &lt;tale702@uunet.uu.net&gt;
Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Lines: 1
Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7139

remove outdated group

From newsmaster@demon.net Tue Oct 22 12:55:49 1996
Path: 
uunet!in2.uu.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net
!demon!not-for-mail
From: newsmaster@demon.net
Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:45:50 GMT
Message-ID: &lt;alt.gothic-1@news.demon.net&gt;
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Approved: newsmaster@demon.net
Lines: 5
Xref: uunet control.newgroup:17875

Forge-rmgroupd by the same folks responsible for the stupidity in 
news.*

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic      The gothic movement: things mournful and dark

From bierman@apple.com Thu Nov  7 01:34:52 1996
Path: uunet!in3.uu.net!feed1.news.erols.com!chi-
news.cic.net!bznews.apple.com!nntp1.apple.com!bierpe3.apple.com!user
From: bierman@apple.com (Peter Bierman)
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Followup-To: alt.gothic
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:57:07 -0800
Organization: I do not speak for Apple Computer!
Lines: 21
Approved: alt.gothic netizens
Message-ID: &lt;bierman-0611961657070001@bierpe3.apple.com&gt;
NNTP-Posting-Host: bierpe3.apple.com
Xref: uunet control.newgroup:18329

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic     Netizens of the night.


Newgroup sent to counteract forged rmgroup. See attached.

&gt; Path:
&gt;
nntp1.apple.com!colloquy.apple.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-
hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-
hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!gergs_b
ane.org!anon
&gt; From: tale@uunet.uu.net
&gt; Newsgroups: control
&gt; Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
&gt; Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:46
&gt; Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
&gt; Message-ID: &lt;tale702@uunet.uu.net&gt;
&gt; Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
&gt; Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
&gt; Lines: 1
&gt; 
&gt; remove outdated group


From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov  7 19:05:16 1996
Path: 
uunet!in3.uu.net!theplanet.net!knews.uk0.vbc.net!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!d
emon!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!gergs_bane.org!anon
From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 05 Nov 1996 06:57:42
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: &lt;tale22415@uunet.uu.net&gt;
Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
Approved: Fluffy
Lines: 1
Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7318

Removal of bogus group not created by recognized voting procedures.

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov  7 19:06:09 1996
Path: 
uunet!in3.uu.net!theplanet.net!knews.uk0.vbc.net!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!d
emon!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!gergs_bane.org!anon
From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 05 Nov 1996 06:57:56
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: &lt;tale22460@uunet.uu.net&gt;
Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
Approved: Fluffy
Lines: 1
Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7320

Removal of bogus group not created by recognized voting procedures.

From jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Mon Nov 11 22:45:22 1996
Path: uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-
peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc
.swarthmore.edu!res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu!user
From: jkramer1@swarthmore.edu (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:43:12 -0500
Organization: Swarthmore College
Lines: 12
Approved: jkramer1@swarthmore.edu
Message-ID: &lt;jkramer1-1111962243120001@res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu&gt;
NNTP-Posting-Host: res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Xref: uunet control.newgroup:19046

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic             The gothic movement: things mournful and dark.



rmgrouped for no good reason.

-- 
Joshua Kramer, Student, Swarthmore College. 
Any opinions expressed herein represent only those of Joshua Kramer
and should not be taken to represent the views of any organization
or any other individual living or dead.

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 28 08:21:24 1996
Path: uunet!in2.uu.net!205.244.8.35!gergs_bane.org!anon
From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 28 Nov 1996 08:24:11
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: &lt;tale31399@uunet.uu.net&gt;
Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
Approved: tale@uu.net
Lines: 1
Xref: uunet control.rmgroup:7647

Superceeded by alt.gothic.* hierarchy

From newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de Tue Aug  5 14:18:15 1997
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Message-ID: &lt;5s82af$5j7@asterix.DMV-Franzis.de&gt;
From: newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de
Approved: newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: asterix.DMV-Franzis.de
Path: 
news.isc.org!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.127.161.1!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!207.22.81.9!
europa.clark.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net
!isar.de!asterix.DMV-Franzis.de!asterix.DMV-Franzis.de!asterix.DMV-Franzis.de
Date: 5 Aug 1997 20:26:55 GMT
Organization: DMV Franzis' Verlage
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic y 
Control: newgroup alt.gothic y 
Lines: 3
Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:8307

 
Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.


From news@fh-aachen.de Wed Jun 10 01:03:05 1998
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Message-ID: &lt;6lld94$np617@ultra1Aether.noc.fh-aachen.de&gt;
From: news@fh-aachen.de
Approved: news@fh-aachen.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: ultra1Aether.noc.fh-aachen.de
Path: 
news.isc.org!news.Stanford.EDU!newsfeed.concentric.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.
syr.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!ultra1Aether.noc.fh-
aachen.de!ultra1Aether.noc.fh-aachen.de
Date: 10 Jun 1998 07:40:20 GMT
Organization: University of Applied Sciences Aachen Germany
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic y 
Control: newgroup alt.gothic y 
Lines: 3
Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:21082

 
Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.


From newsmaster@alt.gothic.net Tue May 11 13:44:22 1999
Path: news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-
peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!166.93.8.12!natasha.rmii.com!news1.rmi.net
!not-for-mail
From: newsmaster@alt.gothic.net (The Goths)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Control: rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:35:40 GMT
Organization: Bar The Goths
Lines: 5
Approved: newsmaster@alt.gothic.net (The Goths)
Message-ID: &lt;373893af.76134765@news.rmi.net&gt;
NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.93.216.51.rmi.net
X-Trace: news1.rmi.net 926454945 7529 166.93.216.51 (11 May 1999 20:35:45 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@rmi.net
NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 20:35:45 GMT
Summary: As discussed in alt.config, remove alt.gothic
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235
Xref: news.isc.org control.rmgroup:81647

There's no support for this group:

*joke group



From raquele@borg.svpal.org Tue May 11 22:30:09 1999
Path: 
news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.svpal.org!not-for-
mail
From: raquele@borg.svpal.org (J Gan)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic.ctl
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Date: 11 May 1999 22:27:27 -0700
Organization: Silicon Valley Public Access Link
Lines: 10
Approved: raquele@borg.svpal.org
Message-ID: &lt;7hb3fv$gmh$1@borg.svpal.org&gt;
References: &lt;373893af.76134765@news.rmi.net&gt;
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.svpal.org
X-Trace: borg.svpal.org 926486856 17106 127.0.0.1 (12 May 1999 05:27:36 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@svpal.org
NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 05:27:36 GMT
Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:160293

To counter recent rmgroup.

- High-traffic group with clear need and support; postings are of good
quality
- Group has existed since 1 Nov 1991, according to UUNET cmsg archive
- No discussion or support for removing group was present in alt.config,
as claimed by rmgroup poster, or in alt.gothic

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic	The gothic movement: things mournful and dark